Phil Schafer 0:00

With education and optimizing hormones first before we get on all the other pills for ills, GLPs, whatever, that is what I aim to do. It's hormone optimization. Because I am just optimizing what God or whatever you believe your creator to be naturally created us to be. We just messed it up. If I can optimize it, then I'm just helping move that need forward. If I can get their energy improved, if I can get them to feel like they have control of their health, their whole life could be changed. I personally don't think there's any better medicine. You can change your life in three months, not six.

Trev Warnke 0:38

Guys, welcome back to another episode of the Brotherhood Beyond Business Podcast. Today we're speaking with Phil and we're going to talk about his business, life, and his legacy. Phil, go ahead and kick it off with a little bit about yourself, and then let's go ahead and talk about your businesses.

Phil Schafer 0:49

All right. I'm a family and acute care nurse practitioner in Prescott and kind of a serial entrepreneur. I would say I identify more as an entrepreneur over a nurse practitioner at this time. I love opening businesses and experiencing the build of the business and just being a part of that and actually see people's lives change as a result.

Trev Warnke 1:11

And that would be, in my opinion, kind of a rare combination. You're not going to run into a lot of nurse practitioner practitioners that are naturally going to be entrepreneur mindset because they're a little bit different. Both like want to serve, right? For sure. But like they're different mindsets of like one's a building mindset and one's a taking care of mindset. And it doesn't usually, it's like, hey, here's the things we got to do, versus like building has to be like how do I like make this for the future for people. So they are kind of unique to having the same person to have like nurse practice practitioner and also an entrepreneur.

Phil Schafer 1:39

Yeah, and it's uh it's been fun. Like, I I love my life right now. I think uh being able to build something and then see your patients' lives changed because of what you're building and making them more informed about their health decisions using technology and AI and all these types of things really is empowering. It's I call it my art.

Trev Warnke 2:03

Yeah. Yeah, let's take because I know our uh the way that you have, from my perspective, from you, is like the way you're kind of like changing how like the health practitioner world is, is specifically with a lot of the AI stuff that's going on, has helped you be able to, in a sense, buy speed for what you guys are doing and really be able to put together a lot of information really quickly. Dive more in well, first of all, what type you own we're at one of your facilities and then talk about the two different clinics that you have.

Phil Schafer 2:28

Yeah, so I have a longevity clinic, uh, that's where we're at right now. And we do gene mapping, we do hormone replacement for women over here, we do a lot of weight loss stuff, and we do some primary care out of this clinic. And our goal is to just prolong the life of humans. And uh the technology that is coming down the pipeline is phenomenal, and there's just not a lot of education or good education around anti-aging, longevity, and and really what true preventative health care can look like via gene mapping and a lot of other modalities. And then I also own a Men's Health company specifically, uh, it's now mince health.care, and uh, we do primarily testosterone replacement, we do treat erectile dysfunction, we do weight loss over there, and we also uh put people on workout plans and nutrition plans, and we're really getting into the FDA-approved peptides. And so it's uh it's really medicine's really exciting right now. And then with the advent of AI, we can use and take uh information and really be able to allow patients to uh ask questions on their health right now because I think because of COVID, it kind of gave us a uh uh, you know, the medical field kind of a bad rap. There's a lot of distrust, a lot of government intervention, a lot of government distrust. And so with the advent of AI, and I don't I don't diss this at all, uh, is when a patient goes and sees a doctor, the they go and see a doctor as soon as they walk out, they get on Chat GPT and they say, Here's my doctor full of crap. And that's fine. But I but I would like to be able to enter in that conversation. And because it because if they are asking these questions about their own health and they're educated on their own health, if I am able to enter that conversation, maybe I'll learn something about what they're doing and what they're curious about or what kind of medications they want they want to be on, or peptides, or whatever, because there's so much information, a lot of it is disinformation. But if we can work on if they if we can give the patient really, really, really good resources by using open evidence or up to date and and give them good answers instead of poor context answers with AI, that is a goal.

Trev Warnke 4:46

Yeah, this I mean, what the what you're talking about is some of my favorite stuff. Like coming from the fitness industry for years. So I've owned a gym for 12 years in Chicago and I owned one for eight years in Iowa as well. The thing about people want to move the needle in their health, right? Fitness for sure moves the needle in your health, nutrition for sure moves the needle in your health. But there's a lot of stuff that need that is out there now that can help people make those more consistent in their life and maximize those. Um, so for me, in my history is I've had a history of binge eating in my life. And so the first thing that ever has I've lost 80 pounds, I've gained 80 pounds, I've gone back and forth since probably 16 years old. That's what really set me down my health journey to begin with, to open the gyms because I want to like control this factor, right? Um, and the bit the first tool that's ever really helped the binge eating thing is a GLP one. And most people like wouldn't look at a fitness person as per somebody that would look at that. But that was the first thing that ever allowed me to control my binge eating for the first time in my life to be able to like, okay, now I can go down to the weight that I can actually control, lift and do all my other stuff, be able to control that stuff. But like you were saying with the AI stuff is like I've had to do a lot of research on AI and trust luckily I have a background in as a nutrition certified nutritionist to know enough to like, okay, I know what avenues to to when I'm hearing the input from a chat GPT to be kind of like that's bullshit, because uh most people don't realize most AIs are not perfect by any means. And the information that they're giving out is context-based, right? And so when you're getting that feedback from there, I know how to navigate, like, I know this isn't true, or if this is true, this is like in terms of the health marker. So what I believe in what protein recommendations are is different than what medical doctors usually are for from gaining muscle, right? And so if I'm looking for one gram per pound of body weight, I know the AI is not feeding me that that number. They're looking more a lot for the medical literature, but there's different avenues to kind of look at. So the idea is like with AI in general, is a great tool if you know the parameters you're looking through. Whereas that's when you guys can come in, like, hey, one, you're you're not looking, my head from what I know about, you're not looking for the bottom of the barrel like numbers. You're looking to optimize their health metrics. 100% stuff.

Phil Schafer 6:46

And and our our position is we we know that a lot of people are living quote unquote normal lives. They think everything is normal. And my position is that normal is not normal. And because of the things that we've done, the foods that we eat, the lack of sleep, the high cortisol levels, the systemic with testosterone as a society, all these types of things keep us between living an optimal and really healthy life. And uh it doesn't have to be that way. Like just with education and optimizing hormones first before we get on all the other pills for ills, GLPs, whatever, that is what I aim to do. I want to basically optimize what our creator naturally gave us, and then we can use the other tools, the ancillary tools, to really help change our life. But sometimes, you know, the GLP is just a really quick win. It gives people hope. It gives them like, okay, I can actually get control of this. And so we put people on those. But there's so many other things that are associated with them that a lot of people don't think about, like the uh the the muscle loss associated with those. And uh that to me is really concerning. It's like, is it an ethical position for me to prescribe GLPs to somebody that's not working out? Massive. It's like I I ref personally refuse to do it because if you're not maintaining that muscle, GLPs are gonna eat that muscle, right? And then they're gonna have the hanging skin, and then they're, you know, that's that's really hard to fix.

Trev Warnke 8:12

Yeah, and that's uh good thing for the people, the point the way you pointed that out is like for my history, I lift consistently, I lift four days a week, strength training. My pro uh we me and my wife have been doing nutrition coaching for years together. So my issue was always that how binge eating happened no matter how well I was on nutrition. So our nutrition was on point, except for uh an occasional binge binge eat each week. That was from stress from running four businesses, really, where most of it comes from. But the idea was we lift consistently. We we have a high, high protein intake. We're probably more carnivore than the average person is, closer to that spectrum. Not that I don't eat carbs, but we just eat more meats in general normally. So, like, yeah, so I love that feedback that you brought in there because a lot of people when when I bring that up, like, oh, GLP work one great for Trevor, but uh also the other aspects you brought up, I knew all those things and was really, really good with those habits. I just couldn't kick the binge eating. Once I add the GLP one in and kick the binge eating, holy crap, the weight came off. Yes, because the the GLP one does great for that, but also because I'm taking 3,000 extra calories a week out of my diet that wasn't ever supposed to be there.

Phil Schafer 9:09

Yeah, so it was like it was like you're doing everything right. You had the ancillary tools, and that that's perfect, a perfect thing for for uh that's a perfect GLP use, I would say, because you are consistently working out. Yeah, so just just those types of things that I I just want to be able to, I know that my patients are gonna go out and they're gonna they're gonna ask ChatGPT. And I'm fine with that. So we created an app where they can ask ChatGPT, but then they can press another button that says ask my doctor and it automatically goes into the chart. So next time that we see them, we can ask them and talk about, if they want, about the things that they're searching. And that to me is really where the gold is. I'm just like they're searching it, and then I can research up to date or open evidence and really get good information so that I can give that to the patients. So that's that's really the next step, I think, of medicine.

Trev Warnke 9:58

Um, let's go take a step back first to um your um on the women's health click side more of that to start there. On that side, so when somebody comes to you, what is the initial like what's the initial thing you guys put them through? Do you put them through like we're gonna do blood testing first? What where's kind of your we initially start with somebody?

Phil Schafer 10:16

So we initially do a full physical and then we give them a symptom checklist. Our symptom checklist is is pages long. Like I really get in their kitchen. Specifically with females, I want to make sure that they're serious, one, about changing their lives, because women are very, very complex. They're the most complex creatures, I think, because they don't they do not just have testosterone. Like men, you just increase your testosterone usually, optimize your thyroid and they feel great. Women, they have progesterone, they have testosterone, they have estrogen. And you treat a woman with a hysterectomy different than a woman with a partial hysterectomy, different than a woman that's menstrual normally, different than a woman that's transitioning, transitioning to menopause. And you mess any of those things up, they go crazy. And so there has to be a lot of education, a lot of conversation, and we really have to listen to what they're saying, what they're willing to tell us. And if they're willing to tell us what's going on in their lives, yeah, I have no libido, I have hair loss, I have brain fog, I am exhausted all the time, I can't sleep at night. I'm like, oh my gosh, this is likely testosterone, estradiol, thyroid problem. We do a full panel of labs, and then we try to connect all of them. And then once we have all our data, then we dose them appropriately for testosterone, estrogen, or progesterone. And we may not get it right the first time. I prefer pelleting because I understand pelleting really well. And I may not get it right the first time because I don't know how their body really drinks the testosterone and metabolizes the testosterone or hormone. And so I bring them back three months later and I, or I bring them back five weeks later when they're kind of peaking in the hormone and I redraw their labs, give them a new symptom checklist so I can objectively see whether I'm helping them or not. And then usually by the second time, I have them really dialed in. And I always doze really conservative and I always go really slow with women because you don't want to mess that up and you want it to be a somewhat good experience. And I haven't always done it right. I've really educated myself and female hormones.

Trev Warnke 12:17

And that's like what you're talking about there is perfect because I think most women, and we'll we'll talk about men here in a little bit too, but most women think what they're going through is just that's normal. Everybody else goes through this. And it's like, well, it is normal in terms of the hormonal fluctuation, is normal through it, you know, that's that's the way we were designed. But there's a lot of things out there that can help there and optimize. And realistically, in their 30s before menopause, they weren't optimized to begin with, let alone going then into menopause, which is changing those hormonal levels. So they're not optimizing their normal hormones, let alone changing hormones. And I think what you're saying, what you're saying there is awesome is that I think a lot of women deal with a lot of like hormonal imbalances and just think like, I'm just I just have to deal with this for like 10 years or whatever. Like, no, this is something like you can work on right now, improve your life instantly. And just because you come out of menopause doesn't mean you're gonna be going into a good hormonal state naturally.

Phil Schafer 13:02

And and and and I tell people we look at we have to look at medicine a little differently. Traditional Western medicine treats numbers, they don't treat symptoms generally. We are we weigh heavily on symptoms and then we match them with the numbers, all right. We we want to get the labs as a baseline to treat the symptoms, and it's very a different way to look at it. So normal testosterone for a woman is likely between uh 80. But when we often get their total testosterone to 180, because that's generally when women feel really, really good and do not have a lot of bad symptoms like the hair growth or the lower voice or anything like that. And so it just there's just so much education. I love to teach and I I love to teach I want my patients to really understand what I'm giving them so that they can be uh play a part in this journey because it's not it doesn't happen overnight. Like I said, women are very, very complex, and I don't want to mess it up. I mean, I feel like we we get one chance with this, right? With I mean, you come into a provider, you're burying your soul to them, and and they may not get it right the first time, and you need to build that trust in order for them to want to come back and actually feel like you know what you're doing and actually are a partner in helping change their life.

Trev Warnke 14:23

Well, that's where the AI really comes in important too, is for most women, a low testosterone level usually will mean that they have low libido. That can be a big issue with the libido. And most women, though, are really nervous about testosterone because they think of it as a male hormone and they think about all the negatives come with that. But where the AI comes in important is you could know, okay, this person left my office, and the first question they had is why is my doctor recommending testosterone? No matter how well you explained it, they're still like they in many ways probably weren't even listening that well because they were like, man, why is he talking about testosterone? I don't need testosterone. And then they go back to that AI and ask those questions, and that gives you feedback to be like, okay, like good. Like now I know the questions that they're really asking that I in the moment you couldn't, even if you answered them, you couldn't really answer them because they had to get out of that office to be like, to sit down and think like what's really bothering me.

Phil Schafer 15:06

And then what is AI saying at that time? Like, is it saying saying old day, old, the old data, like the WHI study? I mean, recently, women's hormones, uh uh, hormone replacement therapy, just the the black box, black box label is removed from hormone replacement therapy for women. This is massive, huge. Now, is what AI are they getting this information from? What if I can enter in the conversation and give them a couple books on where I get my data from or where I get my training from and what the latest research is and have that conversation? They can they they may be like, is testosterone going to make my voice deeper? And the answer is yes. But it also depends on their free testosterone, the sex hormonal binding globulin, their trouble testosterone, how their their body metabolized the hormones, how much they're pelleted, all these types of things, where they're at in their their whole menopausal journey, you know, and that's why we get all the labs that we get, so that we can actually make a really good conservative college try at this, right? Because we really want to change their lives. We really want to improve, objectively improve their lives. And we can do it. We I mean, we give them a symptom checklist at the start, and then five weeks later we give them the same exact symptom checklist. If I'm not helping them, then I have to go back to the drawing board and fix them. Usually by the second time, I see their their objective labs, their objective symptoms, and by the three-month mark, I have them dialed in. And then it really gets fun. And when you have a, I mean, when you have a woman that's like whole life has changed, it's truly the best medicine. It's like I the joke around my church is that I turn 80-year-olds into rabbits again. You know, I've had 80-year-olds come up and be like, I haven't had sex like that since I was 18 years old. I mean, that's like that's amazing. Life is too short to not have a great sex life, to not have vitality, to not feel good, to not get good sleep, because it's there. It's like within reach. The technology that we have with optimizing hormones are absolutely amazing right now. And that's my my stake in the ground. It's hormone optimization because I am just optimizing what God or whatever you believe your creator to be naturally created us to be. We just messed it up by the foods we eat, what we do to our body, all vaccines maybe that we take, I don't know. But generally, I think we messed it up as a human race. And if I can optimize it, then I'm just helping move that need forward.

Trev Warnke 17:25

What is that side where as technology technology has gotten better? The idea is like we used to eat a certain way in the early 1900s. Now we eat completely different. It's like, well, as technology's gotten better, we should eat, we should be eating better, but realistically, we're eating worse, not because of our choices, because the food that we've been given, stuff like that. Like that's stuff that's certain ways out of our control. And meaning like we haven't, we aren't the ones that created that information that was created over time about us. And but that's the issue with AI, is AI is pulling from that data over that time frame. Who knows how far you go back? You gotta go back to find out what when truly we were eating as close to how God created us to eat was, um, because that's human intervention over time. We make our own choices and it's not always in the best interest of the people, right? That are eating it in for best health, or we get kind of like with the heart attack stuff that was given to us back in what the 1950s, when they started changing what heart what caused cholesterol, right? The cholesterol information around, I don't remember what president died of a heart attack, and that's when that started the whole process of them changing that cholesterol information. Way different than what we would used to think about cholesterol then. Now we think way differently. And cholesterol, for the most part, isn't really as big of an issue as the average person would think it is. We have a lot of things in place that can negative impact that, specifically on the male side of things, because that's obviously important for heart attack knowledge. But there's just a lot of misinformation out there, and misinformation is so hard to figure out what the real correct information is because we're not studying all that information. Um, but I do love uh uh kind of finishing up on the female topic is how you're going into a lot of symptom-based stuff because one you can give the exact same dosage to each person, and each person is going to come back with different symptom results, right? Like, hey, this improved, this didn't improve. Um, I'll I'll use uh like uh GLP one specifically for uh as an example for me is like how I reacted to a GLP one was different than other people that I knew were on GLP1s in terms of like I had really uh I had a lot of struggle with skin sensitivity, that other people just didn't have that issue, but they also had trouble where they couldn't eat enough calories and I could eat enough calories and dosage, and there's so many other equations that go into that, but it's not a perfectly perfect across the board on how symptoms are reacted, how our body's recovering from those, how our body's reacting to those. So having an uh interventionist like you, somebody that's okay, I'm obviously gonna give you the here's a starting plan, but we've got to keep adjusting this and adjusting this and adjusting this almost for all time, you know, it's never, never gonna be perfect. And I would say one of the obstacles that I run into the most, being in the fitness industry, is people just aren't the most patient, right? This is all industries, but most patient. How do you kind of overcome the fact that people like, hey, I got this like five weeks later and I don't especially one weekend, they're like, nothing's changed. Like, how do you kind of deal with that?

Phil Schafer 19:53

Realistic expectations and I hammer realistic expectations. I say I may not get this right the first time. I say, this is for women specifically. I say, give me six months to change your life. You know, if I cannot change your mind in six months, give me the finger and say bye, Felicia. You know what I mean? Like, that's fine. Like, I'd know, but but generally, I am so confident that I can make a tangible difference in your life that you'll keep coming back. That's all there is to it. I can objectively show you that there is an improvement in your life by what you are saying, not me trying to make things up. I mean, yeah, sometimes the frustration is like three months later, they're they're like, okay, I felt good for like three weeks. I'm like, okay, well, maybe your your dose was not where we needed it to be. And I checked for five weeks, and sure enough, they're suboptimal, and I have to increase their dose the next time. Or you overshoot them because they're drinking the hormones too well and their body, and I have to decrease the dose a couple points. And so that that happens too. Every woman is different. I mean, everybody weighs differently. Everybody, you know, if there's prior drug use, they'll have bad sex hormone binding globulins, and then they have to we have to give them a lot more hormone to get them therapeutic because all those hormone receptors are burned. They're not, they're not, you know, you you have to everybody's different. And that's why I love the term bioidentical hormones, because we are dosing them based on their symptoms, on their weight, on their height, on their labs, and it's specific to them. Their dose is specific to them conservatively based on thousands and thousands of women that we pelleted. And the more women that we pellet, the more conversations that we have with them, the more data that we get because we keep track of that stuff. It's just it's fun. It's fun medicine. It's it's fun to be able to objectively have a very defeated bawling woman in my office and three months later or six months later have a completely changed woman and see their whole quality of life changed.

Trev Warnke 21:47

And do you encourage like good nutrition and and fitness and kind of having that routine as well figured out?

Phil Schafer 21:52

Initially, easy wind, man. Easy, easy winds. Because it just uh getting them through the door and burying their soul is a lot. So I I try very carefully to go really slow. I change one thing, come back five. And I'm I'm I'm I'm their cheerleader basically more than anything. It's like I don't I don't try and put them on generally, I don't try and put them on GLPs, change your thyroid, put them on testosterone, estrogen, and progesterone all in one visit. Like it's a stepwise process because, you know, for thyroid, for example, I mean, testosterone fixes brain fog, but so does thyroid, right? And so if I put them on both at the same time, I don't know which one's working or not. So I optimize one hormone or three hormones, progesterone, estrogen, but testosterone, and then I optimize their thyroid. And then if they still want to lose weight, and those two, I call them the elephants in the room. Because why would I want to put somebody on a GLP if I'm missing the big elephant? The big elephant is hormone optimization. The second big elephant in my world is thyroid optimization, because most patients go to a doctor and they say, Your thyroid's fine, your numbers are fine, you don't have hypothyroidism. I'm super passionate on this because my wife, after our third child, had normal thyroid. But every doctor she went to and told I'm exhausted all the time, I'm sleeping all the time, I have severe brain fog, they just like your thyroid is normal. But her thyroid was not normal at all. It wasn't optimized at all. So, like man, dude, I was I was afraid to leave her at home at with my kids. Like she'd leave the oven on, she'd leave the stove on. I thought she'd like burned down my house. Like, and so I was like desperate for help. So it was very personal to me. And so we optimized her thyroid, changed her whole life.

Trev Warnke 23:38

Whole life.

Phil Schafer 23:39

Like no more brittle nails, no more brain fog, sleeping through the night, better quality of life. I was just able to tangibly see it. And it just that's why I believe in this so much because it is so personal to me. You know, hormone replacement therapy changed my life. I lost 50 pounds on it. I feel vigorous, I'm the healthiest I've ever been. I'm 41 tomorrow. And I just I feel the best shape of my life because of hormone optimization. That is the elephant. That is the elephant. We have to do that first, and then everything else can yeah.

Trev Warnke 24:10

I uh I mean this is all this stuff is awesome because what I I always think about just optimizing everything, right? Like I just want my life perfectly optimized yesterday. Yeah, and it is trying to figure that out stuff all out is the way I go. But the way you said it is like if the peptide craze has happened, and I think peptides are awesome personally, but like what happens is most people go out and like, here's all the symptoms I have, and they'll go out to something online and buy four different peptides to try to fix everything they've ever struggled with. And it's like, but you have no idea one, there's a safety component, all that kind of stuff. But if we just go out, you have no idea one of those, one of those, even it was the thing that fixed it, like you said, is like we need to start one thing and try to solve that problem first. And if this example for that, for that like a male, like maybe it's your testosterone and we'll fix that first. And if that didn't, maybe then it's the thyroid next. But if we try to fix them both, we have no idea which one actually is the thing that improved it. And then from there to be able to gauge what other symptoms could come off of that happening. Whereas most people, they go in and they try to fix it all at once because they want quick results, but they're gonna already, by changing one of those things, they're gonna get amazing, incredible results. Then they change the other one, it's just gonna keep scaling. And if you could take your life right now, if you could take the average person, say, hey, if in two months from now I could say your life was 10% improved, just energy-wise, 10%, you have 10% more energy. Most people like, I would take that right now. They think you can even tell somebody in in two months from now, if you lost 10 pounds, would you be happy to be yet? But a week into something, and you're like, I haven't lost 10 pounds yet. Like you just said you'd be fine two months from now, I've lost 10 pounds. But in the moment it feels so like I want to change right now. But that was good advice. I hope people listen to that part is we got to slow down with how fast we are making changes because these changes with the stuff that we have, hormonal hormone therapy, peptide therapy, even fitness and exercise, changes can happen in a really, relatively short period of time overall. But we've got to slowly integrate those. And I do like how you said with nutrition and even fitness things. Like if you haven't done those things in the past and you're not doing those, let's start and get some of this stuff optimized. Because you'll once you get more energy, fitness and stuff will be so much easier to go to Planet Fitness and show up and do Planet Fitness because man, I actually have enough energy to wake up today.

Phil Schafer 26:09

You just have to do a stepwise process. Take care of the elephants first. If I can get their energy improved, if I can get them to feel like they have control of their health, their whole life could be changed. And I've seen I had a guy that looked like a toothpay toothpaste. I mean, he was just 350 pounds. He could barely walk, barely fit through my door and uh got defeated. He's a very, very wealthy guy in this town. And uh we started just with hormone therapy. We optimized his hormones. He started to become a fanatic. Now he's absolutely a fanatic. Like his whole life has completely changed. He works out twice a twice a day now. He weighs 180 pounds. He uh an operation to take all the fat off. And he just looks like a completely different person two years later.

Trev Warnke 27:02

Small time in a lifetime, right?

Phil Schafer 27:03

Two years is not very he lived, he lived six, you know, several years, several years of his life. I don't know, 20, 30 years, morbidly obese. Like he's been given a new lease on his life. And now he's like, Phil, I need you to check this lab, this lab, this lab. He's reading all these books, books that I have no idea about. And I'm like, hey man, let's talk about it. I'll order whatever you want. You're gonna pay for it, but I'll order whatever you I love the conversation. Love the conversation. And so it helps me be a better provider when they are like this. Because, man, I don't know everything. I just know a lot about very specific things. And and if there's more that I can learn to help better their health, man, I'm all in. Like most my extracurricular activities are going to longevity conferences because I am nerding out on how to prolong life. I go to these conferences, I see 80-year-olds that look like not a day past 50. And I'm like, I'm 40 years old. So this is personal for me. Like, what do I have to do now to look like that at 80 years old? I mean, it's the foods we eat. That's a big them. Everything's going back to the foods we eat. And then it's also like insulin resistance. Where are we keeping our triglycerides? Where are we keeping our blood sugars? You know, are we putting patients on uh continuous glucose monitors? Are we mapping their genetics to really uh uh prevent, prevent, do real preventative care? I have some stories on that if you want to get into that. Like to me, that's the next step of medicine is genetic.

Trev Warnke 28:34

So let's go uh take a step back from that because that all this stuff is like can it excites the hell out of me personally. So I just turned 40 like uh a little over a month ago. So me and my wife talk about we aren't having kids and we don't aren't even gonna think about having kids until we're 45, until I'm 45. She'll be 43. So we're gonna adopt, which gives us a lot easier equation for like we don't have to be on like a time clock specifically. But the thing that we always talk about that allows us to think like, man, I'm not gonna have kids till 45. Well, you're gonna be an old parent. I'm like, but I'm okay with that because I've always thought about I can take care of I have all these things that are my controllables, right? My controllables are I've been doing fitness my entire life. I've been really concentrated on my nutrition for a good portion of my life. And now with the peptide stuff coming out, hormone therapy optimization, all that kind of stuff coming out, I can be a 65-year-old dad, 70-year-old dad at sports games and look just as good as the 40-year-olds. I have no doubt in my mind that by the time I get to that age, because of all the stuff that I want to optimize health-wise in my life, that when I get to that point, God, God willing, that nothing else happens outside of that, I have these control balls that will make me feel just as young as those guys. But I have patience and stuff for the kids at that point in my life. Right now we have a very active, very busy life. Hopefully, this will be a little bit less more boring that time when we do have kids. So that excites me about where the future is going. But you also want to keep up on these kids. Exactly.

Phil Schafer 29:50

You don't want to be a 60-year-old dad that can't even get out of his, you know, lazy boy. Yeah.

Trev Warnke 29:54

And that's stuff like uh that that's awesome. But also, I mean that's a whole other fitness conversation. But the fitness stuff is as I've aged, my fitness philosophy has changed a lot too, because it used to be just getting as big and strong as possible. And now it's like changing to mobility and stuff like that for longevity purposes. So I I used to weigh at my fittest and pretty jacked thing, I was like 255. And when I the more I learned about longevity, I realized like that's not good for me long term because you the lighter you are, the longer you're gonna live. So I've been working my way down, hopefully trying to get down to the 200 range eventually. I'm 220, 221 right now. But we're just kind of transitioning over in the male conversation now. But as I move down that path, it's like, okay, now I got to move over to like longevity training, more like, okay, how do I become more mobile, be able to like not be a sore and stiff and stuff, but the peptides and the hormones uh I use some I do TRT right now, and so TRT replacement kind of stuff for that too. That stuff has helped me out hormonally a lot. But I look at talk when I talk to men, uh, because obviously with the brotherhood our focus is me on men, I don't I don't really talk to women much about that stuff. My wife is really into that stuff, so I'm gonna have to have her start doing some stuff with you because she's 37 and is like super, super fit, but she's worried about menopause coming sometime in the future. So she's trying to figure that stuff out. But on the male category, I talk to a lot of men that are entrepreneurs, and entrepreneurs are not the healthiest group of people. Um for the most part, it's like it goes business, then family, and family is a very small chunk of that category, and health is even a smaller chunk of that category. So when I talk to men a lot about where their future is going, I was like, hey, you guys, we actually have the ability to put a minimal effective dose towards a lot of things and make amazing results. So, an example would be like, hey, I can I could tell you exactly how many hours a week you should be doing strength training. I can say 60 total minutes, 20 minutes a day for three times a week. If you maximize that strength training window, you can actually get all the strength you'll ever need for the rest of your life and just maintain that every single week. Along top of that, but the idea from here, now we've got to create more but spend more time on mobility as we age because now we're gonna end up with kyphosis and all these issues with that kind of stuff. And the other part then is nutrition. And then I I start, I've been starting to talk more about hormone optimization because I'm like, guys, that that's like that's taking that little bit of time that we have to focus on our health. It's just a smaller window, but we're taking it using these other things to like literally multiply that. Like take this 20 minutes, but all the other things that we're doing to optimize is taking that 20 minutes and making it worth the two hours we used to spend in the gym. I think it just connects everything.

Phil Schafer 32:11

Yeah. Having optimized hormones. I mean, it's just life is just better.

Trev Warnke 32:16

It is. And the more, and my mine are definitely aren't to the full up full optimization of what where I think they need to be, but I can tell as I've gone down that route more, the better I feel. And being somebody that does health and fitness consistently, I've always felt I felt good until I got my hormones more and more optimized. Like, holy smokes! Like I've always thought, you know, compared to the average person that's at 40, I probably feel like I'm 27, is what I feel like. And just without hormone, but as I've optimized more and more, I'm like, man, I feel like I was back at a wedding this weekend with my nephews and nieces, and I'm sprinting with them playing football at 40 years old and they're in like they're they're in high school, right? I haven't done that in years because my body, I just feel so physically good. That's awesome. So for men, when they when they first come to you, let's go down the male route kind of stuff. Where I mean you're gonna go through the whole symptoms and stuff like that, but where is like probably the one or two areas where like this is probably where most men have to start? This is usually what they're lacking the most when they walk in. Ego. That's probably a good starting point straight up.

Phil Schafer 33:11

Like if ego is everything, they don't want to share everything, it's really personal to them.

Trev Warnke 33:15

Yeah.

Phil Schafer 33:16

You know, no guy wants to come in and and uh tell you that they can't get it up and that you know their wife is not happy, they can't please their wives in the bedroom, they can't they don't have uh voraciousness or vitality or longevity in the bedroom, that's a big part, you know. So getting over their weak ego to to really have them feel comfortable enough, I think, and to feel safe enough to talk about this is always the biggest thing. And so you've been over to my other office, and we created that to be a place that looks like no other doctor's office ever. I mean, we have guys coming by and just hanging out, and my doctor, he's so great. Dr. Winton is amazing. You just go over there and you hang out with him, and uh, it's a cool office. I mean, we have all the generals hanging on from every branch. I mean, we're really big and and supportive, supportive of veterans and first responders, we discount them heavily. Like, we care deeply for our community and we want them to be very comfortable. So, generally, that's kind of our main priority first is to earn the trust of a man and so that they hopefully will know, like, and trust us so that we can ask them the hard questions. Like, hey, what's going on? Are you are you turning over and cutting sheets? Or have you not had uh can you not remember when last time you had a heart on? You know what I mean? And uh, you know, that's personal. And a lot of guys are like, no, I'm a man. I don't you know, come on, bro. You're not a man. I want to help you be a man. Like that's the way the way that's the way God designed us. And we can there's so much hope here, but you gotta tell me what's going on so I can help you. And uh generally that that they respond real well.

Trev Warnke 34:56

Well, that's the part too, is like uh the ego side is like we also have these associations that as I get older, I should I naturally should be losing these things, right? So I've been told for most of my life that like you know I will get less erections as I get older and stuff like that. It's like, well, that's not actually how it works. Hormonally, you can we're in a day now where we can actually hormonally control those things too, to be you can be 80 years old and still be getting hard on this kind of stuff.

Phil Schafer 35:20

I'm like, dude, I've seen 80-year-olds have kids still. Like it's just that's just crazy. It's like you could still have a very extremely high quality of life at 70 or 80 years old. And it's what we do now. The you know, being intentional about having the most maloskeletal muscle on our body going into aging, that is what the latest research is showing. And it's like you have to be strong, you have to be, you have to build muscle to prolong longevity later on in life. There's a lady that I follow that I have seen at a few longevity conference, her name is Gabriel Lyon, and she's all about stuff. Yeah. I love her. Really like I I you know, I follow her diet. I I just love that what she's about and her like she's she's an amazing doctor and she she lives it, totally lives it. And uh I think you know that's what I'm trying to get my patients to get. Um it takes a while. You can't over you can't overnight look amazing. You have to work at it, you have to be intentional. And uh, but the first thing is how do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. And the first bite is getting over your ego and telling me what's going on. And and and if you're not there yet, that's fine too. Like I'm I'm here for that. And just uh But once we earn their trust, like we can really, really make a dent and change their life. That is I mean, a man will cross the street to give me a hug because of what we're doing in their family. And there's just no better I personally don't think there's any better medicine. You have a defeated guy, you know a lot quicker, you can change your life in three months, not six. And uh it's fun, so fun.

Trev Warnke 36:52

Yeah, it's as we've kind of focused our business on male entrepreneurs and kind of narrowed that down to that group. I look at that. So in our model, we go it like we have our 10 domains. Domain number one is faith, because nothing happens without God, right? And number two is physical dominance, because I think by becoming a physically dominant man, and that can be in a lot of ways, but strength, getting fit, lean, also being able to like jujitsu, like being able to be strong. I uh I did a podcast on Friday with the uh owner of the jujitsu studio jujitsu studio in Prescott Valley, Michael. So uh we were just talking about that. And so we're going through, but yeah, physical dominance. So the idea is like part of being a man is being physical, being physically like strong, feeling good. Like you said, as they age, it's important to keep that muscular strength. And I think most men don't realize that. I mean, owning gyms for years. We have guys that that are at our gym that are in their mid-sixties now, and they look like they're probably early 50s, and that's without doing, I don't know if they're doing any hormonal replacement, but that's just like being doing fitness and being with us 10 years now or 10 years. But I could it proves to me watching these guys go from 50 years to start training when they're in their early 50s, and now they're still working out there in their early 60s. I'm like, Mark, like I don't think you've aged in 10 years because they're doing their physical, physical fitness. But we really push hard on entrepreneurs, male entrepreneurs, the idea is like this is part of one of your roles and responsibilities as a husband, as a protector, to be become physically dominant and take care of that component. Because if you want to be, you want to make all this money from 30 to 50 years old, you want to make all this money, and then your quality of life just literally starts going down so fast that the money is not, doesn't do anything for you after that point. But all that money that you had, you you can reinvest in yourself and get all of that back in tenfold. But if you started earlier, it'd be better still. No, a hundred percent. Because we're both what? We're both in our early 40s. Yeah. It's the idea is like we want to be able to, like, okay, we're already starting to optimize that early 40 because I'm like, I know I don't feel as good as I did at 27. I feel certain ways about that I'm 27, but I know I don't feel hormonally the same I did at 27. I do. Well I'm not there yet. I'm not there yet. Then you think your brain more about that going forward is being able to optimize some of the other hormonal things that down the route. But that is the side where I think I'm just so excited for where the longevity, and I do want to get into just the gene mapping just a little bit because I don't know much about that. So go ahead and tell me a little bit more about that.

Phil Schafer 39:05

So I didn't understand a lot. I mean, even as early as maybe seven or eight months ago, but I've been going to several longevity conferences and just really trying to educate myself and then testing it. So uh I found a company that can map almost 15,000 DNA strands. And to me, that is mind-blowing. A lot of gene companies, genomic companies, they only do like 30 or 50 or 100. But to be able to do 15,000, man, that to me is just so cool. And so I did an objective test. I took one of my patients that I know really, really well, that I've known for the last couple of years. I've have all his labs. He is like the ep. You look up Greek God in the dictionary, and he's his picture's right there. Like he's 50-something years old, optimized on testosterone, he looks great, can hike forever. Just a man's man. I'm like, he's perfect. He's perfect. He doesn't really have any major health issues. And so we did the cheek swab and we sent it off. He answered a novel of questions, and uh it came back with some very, very interesting things, and and it just blew my mind. So one thing that came back is that you're a super high risk for fatty liver disease, have axdiatosis. And so I'm like, oh well, let me look at your previous liver enzymes over the past few years, and maybe they're on the high side of normal, or maybe they're slightly elevated, but nothing that would concern me at all. And uh he's willing to spend the money for the what I call preventative diagnostic tests. Like you have no reason to get them just because the only reason is because this genetic testing is saying, hey, you're at high risk for this. And so we do that and we do an ultrasound of his uh aluminum, and sure enough, he has hepatic steatosis, fatty liver disease. I'm like, whoa, that's interesting. That is preventable, uh preventative. We can prevent, we can actually change the way we eat and actually improve that, right? And so the next thing that we found was a super, super, super high risk of thyroid cancer. Granted, he doesn't have an optimized thyroid, but his thyroid looks not bad. You know, normal numbers, as most doctors would say. So we do an ultrasound of his thyroid. And uh this one just like emotionally just really gets me because they found five nodules on his thyroid. Nothing wrong with his thyroid. Two of them are super highly suspicious for cancer and I need to watch it. So like I'm like just getting chills, man, because that had nothing wrong. He looks perfect, right? The other thing that that really gets me is like, okay, when you go to a doctor, they you ask him, uh, do you have family history of cardiac disease? But then that's all you ask. And so I knew he had a family history of cardiac disease. I just didn't know what what extent, right? Because I didn't ask those questions. So another thing came back, super, super high risk of early cardiac death. And so then I'm like, hey, tell me more about your family history. And he's like, Oh yeah, my dad had multiple stents, he had like quadruple bypass, he like he barely lived after his like last bypass. I'm like, holy smokes, we gotta do an echocardiogram, we gotta do an EKG, we gotta really see what's going on there and see if there's, you know, maybe maybe a CTN geogram to see kind of what's going on with your heart. This is and if you're willing to spend the money, that we can actually really get on the front end of this and truly prevent disease. And to me, that's like that's really kind of as a practitioner, the only word that can get off on. Like, I just love that. I freaking love that, man, because this guy looks healthy. Like he is he's a man's man. And in every I mean, he's an entrepreneur, he's a businessman, he's he's optimizing testosterone, he works out consistently, he just got married, he's very sexually active, like all these things perfect, right? But I can just tell you some things that like holy smokes, I'm so glad we found these things. So let's just build you a plan to now help you eat right, to optimize your thyroid, right? To make sure you get that thyroid ultrasound every single year on the diet so we can see if those suspicious nodules grow. That's true medicine to me. That's just like that's a wish we could we could sell this to the insurance companies and get them on us. I wish we totally changed our whole our whole paradigm of medicine for this. And then take all that data, all this data, and get on your phone one device and ask questions. Is this peptide good for me? Is this medication good for me? Should I be honest at all? Or should I be on ready to rice and cookie tin from every collection? You know what I mean? Let's let's let's let's let's keep an eye on that. And then you're asking questions on your own data, and you press a button, you say, hey, let's show this with my doctor next time we talk. Curious about this. That's where it gets fun, man. And I, as a provider, get better because there's so much out there I don't know. But I want to, I want to have those conversations with my patients that I care deeply about.

Trev Warnke 44:12

Oh yeah. And I look at it from like so working with a lot of male entrepreneurs is so if uh conversations start to go down the wealth route, how people start talking about wealth and like where should I invest this money in this kind of thing? It's like there's a category where this is one of the most important things that you're talking about, where money should be invested, right? Because this is creating the ability from an entrepreneur maybe be living till 71, 72, which there's a lot of studies that should show like as they break into entrepreneurs, they live a little bit less, not as long as the average male does. So the average male, otherwise, it's 78, is that right? Something like that. And entrepreneurs, I think 72. It's usually probably stress-related, is probably the reason that happened and not taking good care of their health. But the idea is like if you're like you're getting you're most entrepreneurs over time have created a decent amount of wealth with investment stuff. Well, we should be taking a portion of that money, and it's probably a very small portion of that money, realistically, with comparable how much people are usually investing. Like, this is how much they need to be investing in this kind of stuff. Because like you said with that guy as he's going through all these things, like, well, I mean, he's just invested a little bit more money. It probably wasn't outrageous comparable to what he made to invest a little bit more money in his health and kind of figure out what these like smoking guns are, right? Things are like everything else looks perfect. And what I mean, they they have these with some professional athletes that die at 51 and they look like Greek gods, and all of a sudden they die at 51. Like, why did this guy die? Because his whole health, when you look over his whole health history, it was like the heart attack that was coming was impossible to avoid because nobody would ever pay attention to that was in his history. He could have been looked perfect and done everything right, but he couldn't prevent that without digging into the things and figuring out how to avoid that, eat maybe eat differently for that kind of stuff. But I think from an entrepreneur perspective, is this needs to be a true investment in like the wealth category. There should be, there's different types of wealth for sure. And that health category should be an actual financial of the investment. Like, this is how much money out of the things I'm diversifying accounts. It's actually making me think as I think through our system for the brotherhood with the wealth category. I need to be like, hey, this longevity health should literally be part of your thing because if you're somebody that's going to make a lot of money, a lot of entrepreneurs have built businesses that are can extrapolate their whole life. Meaning they've they're they're recurring income or they can just keep getting this money until they're 90, 100 years old. But if they're dying in their 60s or something, what's the point of that? I mean, for your family's sake for sure. But like you now you can take yourself and live from 60 to 90 and live with good health. Amount of money, if you're just thinking money, you could create in that 30-year window of time by just investing in your health in your 40s and 50s and 60s. Like it just blows my mind because I'm thinking obviously longevity for stuff, but I'm not nearly there the way you are thinking about because you've obviously seen the effects of that stuff's done for you, but also other people you've done. So it's just really cool to sit there and think about what the potential looks like in our lifetime of what we can do. And I don't, I mean, biblically, I don't believe in the people that are gonna live like the idea of like that Brian Johnson's gonna live forever. I'm like, I wouldn't want to biblically because I want to meet my creator, like I want that, but I want to live the best life I have while I have the time to and maximize my ability to give back, you know. Like I just heard of this um guy that he's 93 years old and he's going overseas to do mission work to build a business over there. And people are talking trying to talk about building a bit a mission business over there. You're 93, so you should enjoy your last three drinks. Yeah, and he's like, hey, I'm 93. I want to go out dying, putting my energy forward because I'm doing it the Lord's work, right? And I'm like, that's the idea. Like, we I want to be 93 years old and be like, I'm still going as hard as I can for moving God's mission forward in life because I have the energy to do so instead of sitting on my couch for the next three years and dying in a nursing home. Like I'm going forward, and we have the ability, you specifically have the ability that, and you're starting to like, you know, every year, like you said in the last seven months, look at what you've learned. Imagine next year what you're gonna learn, be able to scale people's health so much faster.

Phil Schafer 47:39

Man, it's so fun. Like, I uh it's like that's the that is my whole life. And I opened a primary care, insurance-based primary care, and I just lost the passion for primary care because it's insurance-based, insurance-based model. It's very entitlement driven. And it's like when somebody puts their own cash forward to better their health, they have more buy-in. It's like I can't make you be healthy. I can't change the way you're gonna eat. I will not give you a pill, you know, will not, you know. I I truly so much believe in hormone optimization and buy-in. If we don't have those two, you're not gonna get healthy. So it's like everything that I'm trying to do is trying to be your cheerleader and help motivate you to have buy-in for your own health because you know, that's why it's like I think the insurance-based model is going to has to be there, but I wish we could like change that model to to uh empower people to be healthy. And and you can. It's just there's so much money in sick medicine, so much money in sick medicine that it just doesn't make sense.

Trev Warnke 48:49

The physical therapist I see here, I see him just for like, I don't have anything wrong, but I'm just trying to maximize my overall health. And uh Justin has said said that he's like uh you know, he has cash-based people and he has insurance-based people. And he's like, the insurance-based people never really get better. Like he's trying to do his best to improve them, but they don't really want to improve. They just have to improve to these certain metrics to get out of this, right? And he's like, My cash-based people come in and you know, they see me for one session a month later, that so much is improved physically because they do the work outside of there as well, because they're in it for like personal gain, which is so much different. So, yeah, I don't know the correction for the insurance-based system because it's so deeply ingrained in the United States and how we do things. But I think the correction of long term looking at from a perspective of somebody that wants to take true ownership in their whole life is like by taking care of my own health, I instantly take care of the rest of my life. I'm better for everybody else. So, like, if I'm gonna spend extra money, it's gonna be on my health. And I hope I wish more people would be like going out and buying new cars, like, hey, that new car, you bought like a $70,000 new truck and you could have bought like a $30,000 used truck and put $40,000 into your health, and you would have been amazing for the time you get your next truck, you know, but people just don't think that way.

Phil Schafer 49:56

The ROI invest in your health is unlike any other ROI. Like I've talked to several wealthy. I mean, generally my patients are higher income individuals. I mean, very high-income individuals. They do care about their health and they haven't always cared about their health. And I've asked them, would you give up your health for millions and millions of dollars? I haven't had one person say yes. And these are healthy men that have given up their health before for their money-making venue, and they they're like, man, this is having a good a body that functions and functions well. You can't put really put a price tag on that, I think. And so I think the ROI on really investing in yourself and investing in your body, you got one body, man. Take care of it. I mean, specifically in the Bible.

Trev Warnke 50:43

The Bible points out like you get your your body is your temple kind of idea, and that's why we need to take care of it. It's biblical to take care and be in in good health too. For a lot of our audience is Christian entrepreneur. And so the idea is like you need this is a God-given thing for us to take care of our health, and it's financially it will be an investment, but it's such a small investment what for what you get out of it.

Phil Schafer 51:05

So it's pennies. Like you don't have to get generic mapping every year. Do it one time. It's like $1,500. Not crazy.

Trev Warnke 51:13

Yeah, I mean, if you think about $1,500, like that's depending on where your financial range is, that's like you're gonna take your vacation on your kids this year on maybe one less vacation than you're normally gonna take them on. If you're going to Disney World, like it's a lot cheaper than Disney World is, right? Kind of stuff. It's like, but this is gonna pay dividends for a long time for the investment. I'm investing my kids by having better health over the next 10 years while they're at these prime ages where I can be physically active with them and do these things before they graduate, and I don't get that same time.

Phil Schafer 51:39

Yeah. And you're gonna you're you haven't started uh the raising kids things like you want to be six years old. Like, I have a goal. Like I started jujitsu six years ago. Five, six years ago. My son's been doing it a little bit, about a little bit longer than me. He started when he was six years old. The reason I started is because I was literally worried about him being able to beat the crap out of me at 16 years old. I don't want to be six years old and him like think twice about going after me, you know, and I still want to be a hard role for him. Like that is my dream. That is living for me. That is my goal at six years old, is that my son will think twice before, you know, rolling with me, you know, and and it's just a fun thing. It's like the most bonding thing that we've had as uh a dad-son relationship is we do just together all the time. We're always coming up behind each other and putting each other rear naked chokes or wrist locks or whatever, you know. And it's like men need that, boys need that, and and uh I just want to be present for that. I don't want to miss that. I don't want to be a Malaysia boy, you know, I want to be more more vital, vibrant at 60 years old than I am even now. And I truly a hundred percent believe in that. I see it, I see it at these conferences and I just keep going on. I remember I went to this uh hormone conference two years ago and I talked to this guy that he looked maybe not a day older than 50 years old, and he was a urologist, so he was in that field and he was a urologist and he was at a testosterone replacement conference with Dr Dr. Neil Rozier and uh I just had a conversation. He's like, How old are you? What are you doing? He's like, Man, if I knew, we started TRT replacement 20 years prior, if I knew what I know now, I would be so much healthier. And I asked him, How old are you? He's like 70 years old. Man, dude look amazing. And he's just been really intentional about taking care of himself, having and he's a urologist, so you know, there's been so much disinformation on TRT replacement from that. And if you you know, there there is a dark side to it. I mean, there is a dark side to TRT, but if you're managed well between nine and twelve hundred and and uh you're you're you're taking your injections on time, you're getting your um preventative uh screenings, the potential that you have to be to have a really, really good quality of life from just that alone. And so, and that's just what this guy did. Just TRT replacement for 20 for 20 years. And so uh that that's when it's like, okay, I'm on the right path. That's what I that's that's number one. But now, man, we're getting now that we're able to to map genomics and actually take that data and ask questions on that data, we're gonna change people's lives. And uh and I'm still super early in it, man. I've only mapped two people so far. And uh I'm so sold on it. And so so so right now I'm building like what I'm doing right now is I'm building the infrastructure to be able to ask questions on all your genes. Like that's my passion right now. And so I see a whole lot less patients because I'm doing that, and that's okay. That's what I'm working on right now. It's my passion.

Trev Warnke 54:51

I mean, I know 2% of what you know about this stuff, and it I get geeked out about the 2% I know because I feel like, man, I know I probably still know more than 90% of the world about this stuff. Um, and I'm just like touching that surface level stuff of what I I've been diving into because it's super exciting being a fitness and stuff my whole life. I've always wanted to optimize in general business, like my schedule optimized, everything's like optimized. So as I learn about this kind of stuff and optimizing the mail side of things, like I'm excited like the journey you're going down to be able to pick your brain about the stuff you're going through. Cause like, I mean, we don't have time on this podcast for me to geek out all the questions I really have for you and the stuff I want to go down. I'm like, man, I could go to I know last time we talked talked rap. So it's like the idea is like there's a lot of cool stuff coming on that stuff. I want to just but we're going down that path a little bit there. I want to uh deviate to your your personal life a little bit. So how many kids you have three kids?

Phil Schafer 55:34

Three kids, 11, 8, and six. Boys, girls? One boy, 11 years old, and then the other two are and then how how long have you been married?

Trev Warnke 55:43

Teen years. I've only been married for four, and it's been an awesome, amazing for us. Um, so with like your family life, what what kind of excites you? Obviously, there's the health perspective that what excites you as as being a father, a husband, and kind of stuff, like where's where are you kind of going with your personal life once it's really exciting on that side of it?

Phil Schafer 56:01

Um yeah, so this I could easily get real emotional. I'm gonna try not to. Um, drugs and alcohol are really a part of my story. And so I I almost lost everything. And I'm really involved in recovery, like it's a big part of my life. And uh I know that I personally deserve a crate behind circle K. And I I believe that every day, and that if I'm not intentional about my recovery, my sobriety, that I can lose all of it. And so, where am I today? Well, just for today, I'm sober and I'm grateful for that, and I hope to be tomorrow because I want to be present for my kids. So several years, yeah, you know, probably four or five years, it wasn't present for my children, and that that was hard. And so now it's uh that's my goal, it's to just be sober and present for my family, and I have to take care of my mind, my mental health is everything. Like I have an alcohol problem, I have a drug problem, but it's all really a mind problem that I'm trying to get outside of my mind. And so generally that's it's a loaded question, but it's to be sober and to be a good dad, be a great husband.

Trev Warnke 57:15

And that's like people can say like the idea of sob sobriety, uh well, that's eas it's it's so easy in a certain way until you have an addiction to something. My brother-in-law uh had went through alcohol uh issues for years, and when we meet him, talk about some of that stuff he dealt with there and like the way that he I mean, fitness has been a huge thing for him, being able to keep his mind clean, his his like literally the thoughts clean running, long distance running has been big in his life to be able to overcome that stuff. And a lot of people are like, Oh, just that seems so simple. It's like it's not simple. It's not I for a lot of people in my life that have struggled with it. It's a hard thing to do. And like, like I said, that alone, like just being like the thing, is like that can affect everything else too, just keeping the sobriety in your life.

Phil Schafer 57:51

So I think it's just I want to be as healthy as possible, I want to be as sober as possible, and uh have a very, very full life. This last weekend I'm a pilot. I flew my little plane down to Lake Powell and I and my son and I um foiled and we just foiled all over uh Lake Powell and like flew back. Like this was not available to me. Like that is a blessing, man, that I can do that with my son and be healthy enough. I'm the best shape I've ever been in. Like I want to be the best shape I've ever been in as 60 years old. And it's possible there are dudes that are in the best shape they've ever been in as 60 years old. They're like Greek gods. Like you have to eat, right? Number one, optimize your hormones, number two, get lots of sun and take care of this. Like this is a big thing. Because if you don't have this thing taken care of, everything else doesn't. Yeah.

Trev Warnke 58:44

Doesn't matter. Kind of good, like for you, like when you look at the dark moments do you have that helps bring the light to what you're doing now, too. Is a lot of people that have had dark moments in their life when they find the other side of those dark moments and God gets them out of that what they have, like their life is so much more full because they've seen some of the hardest times to really appreciate what's going on in life right now.

Phil Schafer 59:05

What it could be and what it has been and what you came from. So it makes you appreciate those things a whole lot more. And man, I'm so happy right now. I gotta live a great life, but I don't deserve it. My God has saved me. And that's generally like I I I thank him every day because I I deserve a crepe behind circle K. Totally. And I know I can go there right away, and on the decisions that I make, right?

Trev Warnke 59:33

And so, yeah, that's my that's my goal for my life. We're gonna end with with your legacy, but we've already kind of talked a lot about what your legacy is. But one thing that I think about just from what I've learned about you so far in our few conversations we had, you're you have a ability to learn so much faster than most people I've known. Just like from the little conversations we have, you the way your brain digs into stuff, becoming a pilot is not something that's not time consuming. I mean, their ability to learn things, so I can't imagine like your legacy at 40, you're 40, and now with longevity and health, your ability to think the way you do for 50, 60 more years. I just can't imagine like what where your brain's, where you're gonna go over the next 50 or 60 years. Because like I I feel like I'm a pretty quick learner. I learned things and I I have passions and I dive into them and build multiple businesses kind of stuff. But even when I talk to you, the some of the things that you're you you the way you think, I'm like, man, you're certain ways you're on a different level than me on your ability to see. So I can't wait, like the coding and stuff you do and how fast you've learned that stuff and pick that stuff up. I can't imagine where it's gonna go in 50 years. But like, what is like you've talked a little bit about the AI stuff. Is there anything specifically like that's on your horizon right now, and this is where I'm going over the next four or five years?

Phil Schafer 1:00:39

Yeah, I just want to change medicine. I truly believe what I'm working on right now. I'm such small potatoes, but I truly believe that if we empower our patients to be able to ask questions on their own data and give them really, really good data and of a lot of data, then that I can change medicine. That's what I truly believe. And if you can get make it easier for providers to chart really, really well, to do less administrative stuff and spend more time with the patients through, I don't know, scribing, through evidence-based practice, through having more options when they're trying to diagnose diseases and having more databases to to diagnose the beta, more data sets. Like right now, we're able to include labs, imaging, genomics and you what they're eating, what they're getting, sleeping, what my SPO2 is. To me, you take the last questions on it. It's just to me, it's just like so freaking exciting. Like I I that's my goal. And I'm and I'm and I'm building this thing as a patient, as a patient, right? With with myself in mind, because I want to ask this question about my own genetics. You know, I don't know my genetics. That's what I want to know. I wanna I want to take all my lab work for the last like five years I've known testosterone and just put it in there and be like, okay, what what trends do you see? Based on everybody else that has these same kind of symptoms and issues. So how does addiction play into this? I mean, to me that's where really where like that's that's a cheese, that's a goal, right? Is if you could be like, okay, this is this is how I'm wired, this is how God created me, and the more data that I can that I can put into this box and ask questions on and so good information based on thousands and thousands and thousands and thousands of research papers.

Trev Warnke 1:02:21

That's amazing. The other part I look at that with the AI side is so you're building inside a system, right? Inside that system, you're capturing all this data, and it's pretty much this big like web, right? The cool part will be the more data that gets in there from other clients actually having their experiences and their stuff, right? Meaning like, here's the results this person got by following this plan. Well, then you can probably can already do it right now on a small scale, but on a larger scale, you'll be able to be like, here's the exact nutrition program we can spit out from AI that will literally give you here's the meal plan that you're gonna follow for the next two weeks, right?

Phil Schafer 1:02:50

Specifically your g mapping. Yeah, some people tolerate these foods a whole lot better uh than these foods. And then you actually bring in even more exciting stuff like the microbiome, the gut health, the leaky gut syndrome, the gut the the the the gut is fascinating. What they're doing with with like with with gut ID right now, they're mapping the whole the whole microbiome. To me, that's like and if you can take that data too, and you can put that in.

Trev Warnke 1:03:19

That's where AI is going to give us the speed in the in the health side, and I hope the government allows that stuff to happen because they're already putting it trying to put stance down on on peptides and other things that they're trying to take the control already, but I'm hoping that that they don't get themselves to intervene. And luckily ingenuity helps us get a lot of a lot of things that the government tries to do to us in general. I'm excited for like because the AI that's where I see AI for me on a health perspective going is the more it learns about in the system you're building, I love that that it's gonna be in in many ways an internal system where you guys have control because AI is taking ideas out there from stuff that it doesn't need to be pulling from, you know, false information, that's what kind of messes up the system. Uh but you're getting a more enclosed loop system that you guys control the parameters of it. That's gonna allow you to spit out information for people that can change your life in such a small period of time from nutrition to hey, these are the workouts that maybe you need to do your body doesn't tolerate doing long endurance stuff. Maybe you need to be doing hit stuff, or maybe you can't handle his stuff and your body was designed for doing. You need to be running three miles a day, or not, but like three miles, because your body's actually designed to be able to handle this because your your type uh type one uh fibers that you have, right? So it can tell people where maybe their training would be ideal outside of that. There's just so many things that as you continue to build this network out of stuff. I mean, in general, you and me could probably sit here and give a 90%, like we can probably get pretty close. But once you get to the AI side of it, it's like, well, now we actually have enough records of not just research papers, but also enough actual test people that are actually doing it in the system and show the numbers improving, and now it's all comes in. This is the result, and this is what caused the 90% response.

Phil Schafer 1:04:51

Yeah, I I think the sky's a I think it's a billion dollar idea. And I think the the sooner that we're able to get this so that patients can literally get on their phone and ask questions on the data, they're gonna there's gonna be life to eat. Yeah, no, I agree. 100% I'm excited for how it's going to improve my own health. You know, I I feel healthy now that there's so many more things I can do. There's so many more things I want to try. There's so many more. I mean uh good stem cells. Researching stem cells, like amazing stuff that's coming out there. It's like are we optimizing that? Are we doing that in an ethical way? All these things. I I really think uh RFK is doing a good job. Personally, I love what he's doing. He's dysregulated some peptides. We haven't even talked about peptides. I personally think peptides are greatest and less right here. But we have to take care of the elephants in the room before we even have that conversation. And that's like that's my that's that's my flag also. It's like people just give me this peptide stack, and I'm like, You're insane. Why? That's like you you have these blatant like warning signs right here. And you're you're just trying to just it's like given a pill for an oh I want to be strong, I want to lose weight. Your body is not optimized on what God naturally gave you. Yeah. Gotta fix that first.

Trev Warnke 1:06:14

Yeah. That's the issue with the social media world, is like you see an influencer that's jacked, and like, well, he takes these peptides. Like, well, first of all, you don't realize that he didn't get jacked from doing those peptides. He's been the weight training for 20 straight years. That's step one. You need to be consistent in the gym before IGF one is gonna help you do too much improvement. It can help improve it, but not nearly the same as if you have a consistent training routine. Your nutrition's on point. This guy's been eating like a bodybuilder for 20 years, he's got an advantage because he's a and he probably's on steroids, and you don't know that as well, which can change body size. So uh a lot of people like they jumped out like because I do think peptides are amazing. And in my life, because I've had a lot of things optimized, they've been really, really beneficial. But for the average person that doesn't have things, people that ask me about peptides, I was like, guys, like you don't even train, you don't work out. Like, so conversation is mute until until we actually get in training program, a simple training.

Phil Schafer 1:07:01

You are and I are on the same page there. I am often out of a peptide conversation until I optimize your hormone and I know they're working out because if they're not working out, then I then I'm concerned that I mean what is what do some peptides do? Stimulates plug type by producing natural human growth on you. Having too much human growth hormone and not stimulating growth in your body is bad. And so people can die from it. And so it's just to me, being educated on peptides is something I'm very, very passionate about because this stuff does work. Absolutely, 100%. If you make sure it's good, stuff that you're getting, and you know exactly what it does and how it's gonna impact your body.

Trev Warnke 1:07:39

Is that something you guys are currently dabbling with, like with clients yet or not?

Phil Schafer 1:07:42

Yeah, so we have a case just released uh 14. I think there's 14 now that RFDA approved, and then uh we will have conversations with patients about the monastic approved one. We want to have the conversation. Like, I can't, you know, it's like you're gonna probably get on this whether we like it or not. Yeah. But let's talk about it. You know, it's the same thing with steroids. You see, you gotta have patients that are gonna try and take steroids, and you know, we have hard no policies. Like, we're not gonna, we're not gonna treat you if you bring your testosterone to 2,000. Because I can, you know, like I can, I'm giving you just a specific amount. We moved everything to like we give people exactly we fill the syringes themselves because we don't want people stacking in testosterone. We are prescribing testosterone specific to who they are and their symptoms, and we don't want them to abuse that. Same thing with peptides. There's so much, I mean, there's so much information, disinformation associated with those. So, you know, go to somebody that that is passionate about them, maybe somebody that's taking them themselves, and just have that conversation. That's all I ask because you know, there's so many influencers that are being financially compensated based on the the Chinese version of these peptides. And it's like, like, if you know they're good peptides and they're you know third-party tested and you've you've also done 30 parts tests, great peptides, peptides, peptides, peptides. But do you know why you're taking it? Have you taken care of the elephants in the room? You know exactly what this is gonna do to you long term. Those are, you know, these are questions, and are you okay with associated with them? And if all those are yes, absolutely, then great. But to have you know, to get on a peptide stack because uh your body's completely different. Your goals must be completely different, you know, peptides for insulin resistance and collage abduction and injuries, you know, is this acute injury? Is this a chronic injury? The doses are gonna be different. We have this Wolverine blend that you know, BPC157, TB500 that you would dose differently based on acute injury versus uh chronic injury. What it what is it doing to your body? What is it doing to your kidneys? Are you tracking those? Do you care about trachinose? Or is it gonna put you in room though? What is it gonna do to your mind? These are all like these are the things that the questions that I love to talk to with my patients. I love to just talk because they don't think about this, they just want to get on the peptide stack. It's just it's it's it's scary for me, honestly. I I just if they're they're willing to have a conversation with me, we'll have it. We'll have it all day long. We'll take as long as I need it to to help you understand the peptides you take even while you're taking them or they're meeting goals. I have judicialized all of them are pretty much on over in blend. Talk about all the injuries that we have. I have guys in the gym that want better sleep at night, skin elasticity, better vascularity, uh gastral fat around the belly taking care of, and uh um performance enhancing peptide would be great for that. But they have to take care. I keep hitting it, I feel like I'm hitting a dead horse. You have to optimize your hormones because all that doesn't matter if you're not doing that.

Trev Warnke 1:10:33

And then pairing that together with quality machine. But that's still another great tool that everybody has goes back to these things, is like balancing your hormones without good nutrition is probably not gonna end up in the long because you're still probably gonna end up with seeing hormone disruption over time if we have poor nutrition.

Phil Schafer 1:10:47

Yeah, and that's like like especially in the recovery space, it's like how can you come into a longevity computer uh you know center and still be an alcoholic? Like you're in it's you're literally drinking poison in your body. You obviously do not care about it because you're not taking the this big mountain elephant, right, in the room and and taking care of your sobriety first. Once that's taken care of, then we optimize your hormones, then then we help you in the gym, then we put you on the peptides, then then then then. But uh to do everything at once is unethical. Very, very unethical. And uh, you know, I just want to be a part of I I love being a part of the journey, man. Like that's what I I it it's fun because you get to see people at their depths of despair, and then three months or six months later, they're completely different people. Like, what other areas of medicine do you really see that? Only plastic surgery, but still, you know what I mean? Like true quality of life changing.

Trev Warnke 1:11:42

Yeah, because the issue of plastic surgery is for a lot of it, it's like where you look like a 50 with that plastic surgery and where you look like a 75 with that plastic surgery, it's kind of a weird difference. Like it's not always the best looking surgery.

Phil Schafer 1:11:52

It doesn't look natural. It doesn't look natural.

Trev Warnke 1:11:53

I just told my wife about some Botox and stuff like that. I'm like, honey, there's so much you can do, but we when I see these 80-year-olds that uh doesn't look good, doesn't look natural. Um so let's go ahead and wrap up on where for your uh different clinics, what's the best way for somebody like to get a hold of you to get some side is just going to a website or yeah, they can go to nowman's health.care or now primary.care and uh longevity, I'm still that's my baby.

Phil Schafer 1:12:18

I that's where all my time is really focusing right now, and to to develop and and do it right because I am in the testing process, man. I don't want to sell snake oil. There's so much you go to these conferences, and there's so much snake oil out there. And so when I go to these conferences, I'm recording every lecture that I'm hosted into, and then I have that checked against the research papers. Like I use AI, the actual lectures or record them, and I put them in a notebook LM, which will break the whole lecture down into like infographics and podcasts and whatever I want to do, and take that data and you put it into good AI engines, whether it be open evidence to say, okay, give me the veracity of this. Like, how legit is this? Is this BS or not? And man, that's the gold because the the best lecture, best lecture of the last Langevia conference that I went to is this lady, she wasn't selling anything, she was an amazing woman. She was uh I think she's like hyped, Everest, and multiple multiple seniors and all over the world, and just just a healthy woman. In 1998, she started um her own biohacking journey, and she said, if you remember nothing else about this whole lecture, just test everything. There's so much disinformation out there, test everything. And so that's really what I'm doing now is I'm testing and trying to figure out what the BS is because there's so much BS out there. And I just I, you know, it's like I don't want to self-sneep up. I really want to impact and move the needle of your life. You're gonna pay me the money, I want to be able to sleep at night. Like when I first opened my men's health clinic, because it was things that we do, I put every guy on an estrogen blocker. I didn't know why I was doing it. I did it because all, you know, I now know that we do it because testosterone aromatizer aromatizer converts to estrogen, and too much estrogen could cause bad things to happen. Like, okay, but what good things does estrogen do? And so I went to Dr. Vanil Rosier's conferences and went to multiple conferences, followed him for several years, and he just pulled no punches. And he's like, Phil, you should not be putting these guys on these uh aromatase inhibitors. You can't put them, you can't block their estrogen. You're putting them at super high risk for osteoporosis and you're destroying their libido. And how do you sleep at night? And I was like, I was really pissed off. I am always brand new clinician and mental health clinic. I have like 40 guys. And then and I tested him on this. He's like, Well, what you're doing is wrong, and here's a research study after research study after research study after research study that I'm potentially maybe doing harm to my guys. So I came, came back home with my tail between my legs, took them all off into inhibitors, and sure enough, they're libido increased. Estrogen is good for us. There's a whole conversation we can have about that. But but yeah, you just have to ego is everything. You have to have you have to be able to be okay, BML, I think. And it's like I don't have it all together, but man, if I can enter in the conversation and find the right resources to be right, let's do that together. And then you can make whatever decision you want because this is your health, it's not my health. You're I want to be that vessel to help you get the right information.

Trev Warnke 1:15:14

Thanks for everything you taught us today, Phil. I really appreciate it. Guys, if you're interested in anything about else about his businesses, all this stuff will be linked at the bottom of the YouTube video, all the stuff you linked on our wife website as well, and you'll be able to find him there. Thanks for joining another episode of Brotherhood Beyond Business Podcast. Hit subscribe, turn on notifications, and stay locked in. Brotherhood is more than business. It's about leading from the front, leveling up in every domain, and becoming the CEO of your own life. Step up, execute, and we'll see you in the next one.